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    Question by StealthBeast: Alternative handgun rounds for defense?
    People tend to always get fixated on a single scenerio: You VS a single, unarmored person at 3-10 yards. Sure, this IS the most common situation, but by no means is it the ONLY situation… and in some situations, hollowpoints AREN’T the way to go.

    What are some handgun calibers good for:

    1: Going through kevlar or other light armor (that isn’t restricted from civilian use).
    2: Shooting through a thick cover (like steel, 2 ends of a car, a dumpster, a wall, etc) to connect with a target.
    3: Engaging fire at a target at a very far distance away (Like 100 yd, or even more)
    4: An optimized round for larger magazine capacity (For example, in 22.mag, the Keltec PMR-30 has a whomping 30 round magazine capacity standard).

    And other situations where where penetration, range, or capacity might be more important than just raw anti-personnel power.

    Best answer:

    Answer by Mountain Man
    it’s called an LMG in a war zone…………ahhhh!

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    7 Responses to “Alternative handgun rounds for defense?”

    1. Well, unless you plan on carrying an M4 carbine around, no handgun is going to cover all of your four hypothetical scenarios. But just to further the conversation:

      1. Punching through kevlar? or light body armor? 9mm +p, .357 Magnum, .357 Sig, 10mm
      2. Shooting through mild steel plate? .357 Magnum, .357 Sig, 10mm
      3. 10mm, .38 Super, .357 Magnum
      4. Even though your suggested .22Mag can carry 30, I believe the current Springfield xDM 9mm carries 19+1 of 9mm. If sheer magazine capacity is the issue here, 20 rounds of 9mm isn’t too bad for a handgun in normal dimensions.

    2. Handgun cartridges have limitations.

      The .357 Sig may suit most of your needs, but from a pistol it’s not intended for 100+ yard shots.

      Body armor is meant to protect from handgun cartridges. Therefore, few handgun cartridges can penetrate armor. Even if they penetrate armor, it doesn’t mean they’ll do a heck of a lot of damage.

      To fulfill all your performance requirements, a .308 Winchester/7.62NATO cartridge is preferable. Obviously, this is rifle cartridge.
      They make armor intended to stop this cartridge too. It’s just bigger, heavier and bulkier.

    3. Thank you for your opinion on what qualifies as a self defense situation, both in a spatial/time scenario and in an interpretation of the law.

      I’ll tell you what, I have two 10 mm handguns. If a 220 grain Hydra Shok going close to 2000 fps doesn’t stop them, either A. I’m not in range, or B. it’s my time to die.

      Just how do you conceive I conceal a 30 round magazine when the zombies attack in two years?

      Whiskey Tango Foxtrot…I got a situation…Request back up for a 5 by 5.

    4. What you’re looking for is a rifle.

      Pistols, especially CCWs are not intended for… any of those scenarios aside from light armor penetration.

    5. 1: Handgun rounds that the ATF deems are “armor-piercing” are illegal. There have been a few designed (KTW’s and such), but frankly, who needs them. Police and military are people who can buy them, but they don’t. Few bad guys where armor, and if you are in that situation, you need a rifle. Also, they don’t expand, which makes them less effective.
      2: Your basic handgun can go through car doors and walls pretty easily. It kind of goes back to the above, really. Handguns are marginally effective as they are. You don’t need to go backwards any.
      3: just cause people train to engage targets at 3-10 yards doesn’t mean that the guns are incapable of being deadly past that range. Most service pistols aren’t that accurate of a machine when compared to revolvers (think 6-12″ at 100 yards), but that doesn’t mean you can’t hit a man sized target at 100 yards. There are people who do things like hunt at over 100 yards, most use revolvers. And besides, most people can’t hit the broad side of a barn at 20 yards.
      4: *cough* FN 5.7mm *cough* The P-90’s hold 50 rounds in those magazines.

      Sounds like you want a rifle. . .or a phaser.